A Person Who Does Not Know What They Believe Part 2

A Person Who Doesn't Know What They Believe Part 2
I kept the spelling errors to make it more realistic, and to add to its authenticity.

There was more, but my computer shut down on me so I lost it. This is where we picked up once I got back on.

Frenchgal4christ [2:14 PM]: so, why did you say you wanted to talk if you are not really willing to talk
Frenchgal4christ [2:15 PM]: I am just curious what you believe, is it that hard to say, or do you not know what you believe
Just2PissYouOff [2:15 PM]: i honestly have no idea what i believe im 14 years old
Frenchgal4christ [2:15 PM]: and I am 17
Just2PissYouOff [2:15 PM]: see the difference
Frenchgal4christ [2:15 PM]: no
Just2PissYouOff [2:16 PM]: i do
Just2PissYouOff [2:16 PM]: 3 years
Frenchgal4christ [2:16 PM]: I knew what I believed at 14, I suppose I can understand, but I still curious what you have been brought up to believe, what has influenced you, will you ever believe anything, or will you at least open mindedly explore whta is out there
Just2PissYouOff [2:17 PM]: i wasnt really raised to believe anything
Frenchgal4christ [2:18 PM]: ok, so you can't tell me what you believe, but you can tell me what you base your right and wrong on, and where you got that fould language from, what your real motives are for using it
Just2PissYouOff [2:18 PM]: my real motives are pretty self explanitory
Just2PissYouOff [2:18 PM]: my sn is just2pissyouoff
Just2PissYouOff [2:18 PM]: so
Just2PissYouOff [2:18 PM]: yeah
Frenchgal4christ [2:19 PM]: but why do you want to p*** people off
Just2PissYouOff [2:19 PM]: its entertaining
Frenchgal4christ [2:19 PM]: do you feel p*** off so you wnat to bring others to that level too?
Just2PissYouOff [2:19 PM]: no
Frenchgal4christ [2:19 PM]: entertainment does not make it right
Just2PissYouOff [2:19 PM]: its just sorta fun to make ppl mad
Frenchgal4christ [2:19 PM]: would you have them do the same to you
Just2PissYouOff [2:20 PM]: i wouldnt really care
Frenchgal4christ [2:21 PM]: do you care about anything, because other people to care, thats why they get mad
Frenchgal4christ [2:21 PM]: and others don't get mad
Just2PissYouOff [2:21 PM]: i just think its funny how mad ppl can get over something so minor
Frenchgal4christ [2:21 PM]: they think you are "stupid," which I doubt is true
Just2PissYouOff [2:21 PM]: idk
Just2PissYouOff [2:22 PM]: maybe i am
Just2PissYouOff [2:22 PM]: but i dont really care what they thing
Frenchgal4christ [2:22 PM]: no one is stupid
Just2PissYouOff [2:22 PM]: think
Frenchgal4christ [2:22 PM]: you should care - why don't you care?
Frenchgal4christ [2:22 PM]: you will need to care when you go to college and get a job
Just2PissYouOff [2:23 PM]: because there just saying stuff cuz there mad and i dont care because i dont know them and there opinion doesnt matter to me
Frenchgal4christ [2:23 PM]: independance is a good thing, but ut should not be taken too far
Frenchgal4christ [2:23 PM]: do you think everyone should be open-minded
Just2PissYouOff [2:23 PM]: i care about others opinions just not ppls opinions who i dont know
Just2PissYouOff [2:24 PM]: no
Just2PissYouOff [2:24 PM]: i think every1 should have a balance between open mindedness and being close minded
Frenchgal4christ [2:24 PM]: what makes the opinions of those you don't know any different from those of people you do know - opinions are opinions
Just2PissYouOff [2:24 PM]: well
Just2PissYouOff [2:25 PM]: i respect the ppl i know i like to know what the care about not some random person
Frenchgal4christ [2:25 PM]: what if that random person deserves just as much respect, you can't know without truly going in to their life
Frenchgal4christ [2:25 PM]: and still what do you base all this on?
Just2PissYouOff [2:26 PM]: idk
Frenchgal4christ [2:26 PM]: are you a relativist?
Frenchgal4christ [2:26 PM]: idk?
Frenchgal4christ [2:26 PM]: oh, i dont care
Just2PissYouOff [2:26 PM]: its just kinda the way i think
Frenchgal4christ [2:26 PM]: so you believe that right and wrong are based on self
Just2PissYouOff [2:26 PM]: sure
Frenchgal4christ [2:28 PM]: but what if one person believes that it is OK to kill, but the person they are about to kill believes it is wrong, who is right?
Just2PissYouOff [2:28 PM]: obviously the person being killed
Frenchgal4christ [2:28 PM]: if everyone based their right and wrong on self, everything owuld be contradictory, it would be chaos, there would be no absolute truth
Frenchgal4christ [2:29 PM]: thats what you say, but the person doing the killing is basing his right and wrong on himself, so wouldn't he be equally right
Just2PissYouOff [2:29 PM]: yeah but atleast every1 would have control over their own life
Frenchgal4christ [2:30 PM]: not if someone killed them first - can you imagine a world of chaos where there is no truth but your own truth so there are no rules and nothing is truly right or wrong
Just2PissYouOff [2:31 PM]: id rather believe what i want to even if it is wrong rather than be told what to believe
Frenchgal4christ [2:31 PM]: no one tells you what to believe in this world, they may suiggest it, but that does not mean that you have to believe it
Frenchgal4christ [2:32 PM]: still, if a person believes that the sky is red, does that make it red
Just2PissYouOff [2:32 PM]: to them it would be
Frenchgal4christ [2:32 PM]: but that does not make it true
Frenchgal4christ [2:32 PM]: A dialogue on relativism
Just2PissYouOff [2:33 PM]: no
Just2PissYouOff [2:33 PM]: your a christian
Just2PissYouOff [2:33 PM]: right
Frenchgal4christ [2:33 PM]: yes
Just2PissYouOff [2:33 PM]: do you consider yourself to be devoted to christianity
Just2PissYouOff [2:33 PM]: ?
Frenchgal4christ [2:34 PM]: in a way yes, there is not perfect devotion though
Frenchgal4christ [2:34 PM]: no one can be perfect
Frenchgal4christ [2:34 PM]: but I can do my best to follow the Bible and believe in Christ as my savior
Just2PissYouOff [2:35 PM]: see you have no beliefs of your own you just read the bible and all that stuff and agree
Frenchgal4christ [2:36 PM]: it is not like I believe because I was brought up to believe, I can do my own investigating and come to believe it
Frenchgal4christ [2:37 PM]: like I said before, if you want in depth explanation as to why Christians believe what they believe, then you can read books on it, and I recommend Lee Strobel's books
Just2PissYouOff [2:38 PM]: i notice you didnt denie not having your own beliefs
Frenchgal4christ [2:38 PM]: I do have my own beliefs that I draw from the Bible because that is the absolute truth
Just2PissYouOff [2:39 PM]: or so you think
Frenchgal4christ [2:39 PM]: I know what I believe, I do not think it
Just2PissYouOff [2:40 PM]: you say you get your beliefs from the bible thats not exactly original beliefs
Frenchgal4christ [2:40 PM]: because the original of all originals is God who created the earth in 7 days
Frenchgal4christ [2:40 PM]: you can't go any further back than that
Just2PissYouOff [2:41 PM]: yeah but you cant know for sure that god created earth in 7 days
Frenchgal4christ [2:41 PM]: the Bible tells me so
Just2PissYouOff [2:41 PM]: right
Frenchgal4christ [2:41 PM]: if you want prood of that read the books I suggested
Frenchgal4christ [2:42 PM]: proof*
Just2PissYouOff [2:42 PM]: your beliefs tell you that god created earth but that doesnt make it true
Frenchgal4christ [2:42 PM]: the Bible has been continually confirmed by archeological finds and other things
Just2PissYouOff [2:42 PM]: ok you think that
Frenchgal4christ [2:43 PM]: i know that
Just2PissYouOff [2:43 PM]: prove that its true
Frenchgal4christ [2:44 PM]: Bible
Just2PissYouOff [2:44 PM]: lmao
Frenchgal4christ [2:45 PM]: i would never be able to explain it to the full 0 if you really want to know the truth, explore it and read those books I recommended
Frenchgal4christ [2:46 PM]: I can never force you to believe anything, I can't even really try, but you can try to learn for yoursefl rather than argue before looking at the facts yoruself
Just2PissYouOff [2:46 PM]: mhm
Frenchgal4christ [2:46 PM]: mhm?
Just2PissYouOff [2:47 PM]: mhm
Frenchgal4christ [2:47 PM]: whats that mean
Just2PissYouOff [2:47 PM]: that ill do some investigating read the bible maybe and get back to you on that
Just2PissYouOff [2:47 PM]: ok
Frenchgal4christ [2:48 PM]: Defending the Bible
Frenchgal4christ [2:48 PM]: http://www.carm.org/ has some good explanations on it
Just2PissYouOff [2:48 PM]: ok
Frenchgal4christ [2:49 PM]: Isn't the Bible scientifically inaccurate?

The Bible is not a book about science, but when it does speak scientifically, it is accurate. In fact, it was far ahead of any other writing of its time. Please consider the following.



The Shape of the Earth
"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers. He stretches out the heavens like a canopy, and spreads them out like a tent to live in" (Isaiah 40:22, NIV).

Frenchgal4christ [2:49 PM]:



This may or may not be construed to support the spherical shape of the earth. The horizon is a circle and a circle is flat.
The Earth is suspended in nothing
"He spreads out the northern [skies] over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing" (Job. 26:7, NIV).
This is particularly interesting considering that the cosmology of other cultures at that time did not have the earth suspended in nothing, but rather upon pillars, or people, or animals.
The Stars are Innumerable
"He took him outside
Frenchgal4christ [2:49 PM]:


and said, "Look up at the heavens and count the stars -- if indeed you can count them." Then he said to him, "So shall your offspring be," (Gen. 15:5, NIV).
The Existence of Valleys in the Seas
"The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils," (2 Sam. 22:16, NIV).

Frenchgal4christ [2:50 PM]:

The Existence of Springs and Fountains in the Seas
"In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the second month -- on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened," (Gen. 7:11, NIV). See also Gen. 8:2; Prov. 8:28.

Frenchgal4christ [2:50 PM]:

The Existence of Water Paths (Ocean Currents) in the Seas
"O LORD, our Lord, how majestic is your name in all the earth!...When I consider your heavens, the work of your fingers, the moon and the stars, which you have set in place,...You made him [man] ruler over the works of your hands; you put everything under his feet...the birds of the air, and the fish of the sea, all that swim the paths of the seas" (Psalm 8:1,3,6,8, NIV).

Frenchgal4christ [2:50 PM]:

The Hydrologic Cycle
"He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight" (Job. 26:8, NIV).
"He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind," (Job. 36:27-28, NIV)
"The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there th
Frenchgal4christ [2:50 PM]:

The Concept of Entropy
"In the beginning you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. Like clothing you will change them and they will be discarded," (Psalm 102:22-26, NIV).

Frenchgal4christ [2:50 PM]:

The Nature of Health, Sanitation, and Sickness
The listing for this section is too large for this page. But the scriptural references are Leviticus 12-14.


Frenchgal4christ [2:50 PM]: these are all taken from the site I mentioned
Just2PissYouOff [2:50 PM]: ok
Frenchgal4christ [2:51 PM]: Extra biblical accounts of Jesus
Frenchgal4christ [2:51 PM]: Archaeological Evidence verifying biblical cities
Frenchgal4christ [2:53 PM]: Proof, I want proof
Frenchgal4christ [2:53 PM]: I have to go now, but get back to me by email if you want - take your time - I am not going to push you
Just2PissYouOff [2:54 PM]: ok
Just2PissYouOff [2:54 PM]: ok
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Frenchgal4christ [3:17 PM]: How can you trust a book that is nothing but myth?
Frenchgal4christ [3:18 PM]: Can we trust the New Testament as a historical document?
Frenchgal4christ [3:18 PM]: Is the Bible Reliable?
Frenchgal4christ [3:18 PM]: Hasn't the Bible been rewritten so many times that we can't trust it
Frenchgal4christ [3:18 PM]: Evidence and Answers


I wonder if he or she (I am not sure which) will really research or if they just said that to get me to stop. there was not much else I could say. I fyou have any ideas let me know, but I think it is just up to God now to work at their heart.

A Person Who Does Not Know What They Believe Part 1

A Person Who Doesn't Know What They Believe Part 1
I kept the spelling errors to make it more realistic, and to add to its authenticity.

Someone posted something on my xanga that involved harsh, bad language. I responded:

"I do not know who you are, or what happened to you to make you think the way you do, but I am sorry if I offended you or are offending you now. What reason do you possible have to go around saying those things to random people. I feel sorry for you. You must feel pretty purposeless in life to talk the way you do and treat people the way you do. Did you comment like that just because I am a Christian. I really do not care. As irritated as I am, I am not mad at all. You did not p*** me off because I am better than that. I hope things get better in your life. I would love to know what you believe. I am always open to hearing new things. I do not put myself in a box like so many other Christians do. How do you see the world? How do you see a human being? How do you see life after death? How do you determine right from wrong? I am sorry if I sound pushy or rude or offensive, I have no intention of being that way. I will pray for you."

Then he answered:

"God hates you, you are going to hell"

So I replied:

"You do not need to make comments like these. I know you are just trying to make me mad and p*** me off, but it won't work, because I know what I believe, and perhaps you don't know what you believe. Or maybe you do, but won't tell me. As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. No matter what you say, I know that as long as I believe in Jesus Christ as my savior, I will be saved from the fiery pit of hell. You may say that God hates me and that I am going to hell, but I know that that is not true because I know that God loves everyone and hates no one. He does not want us to go to hell, but if we do not accept Him, we will. Do not get me wrong, I refuse to condemn any person to hell, that would just be plain wrong. But I do know what I believe, and because of that, because "God so loved the world that He gave His one and only son so that whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him." (John 3:16-17) Because of that, I know that I am going to heaven, not hell, and I know that you can't intimidate me. I know that I firmly believe that God created the world in 7 days. I believe that the purpose of a human being is to live their life for God, not themselves. God sent Jesus, his one and only son, to the earth. Jesus was sinless, yet was crucified on the cross to death. He died on the cross for everyone's sins, and rose again three days later. He is my priest, my savior, my covenant. My life without him is meaningless. I am empty without Him. It may seem like a life full of rules with Him, but it truly is a life full of truth and knowing that you are not empty, that you always will be full. That He will always be there for me even in the toughest times so that I can learn from my mistakes. I believe that when you die you either have eternal life without God or eternal life with God through Jesus! I base my right and wrong on the Bible, which is the only absolute truth. I know what I believe. Do you?"

He then answered, “If god is real why would he let my mother father and two sisters die in a car accident????”

I replied,

“No one can know or understand your grief but you. Still, I do feel sorry for you and can express that I too have gone through some tough times, although none as tough as yours.

I have always believed that as hard as times get, they can always get better. When you reach the bottom, there is no place to go but up. When I am in the deepest situations that make me want to explode with questions, asking God why he would let something happen, I make an effort to think about how God is still there for me. Yes, it may seem like He does not really exist because of what has happened, or like he is an evil God, but that does not make it true.

There is evil present in the world whether we like it or not. It has been present ever since Adam and Eve sinned and disobeyed God in the Garden of Eden. God does not like that evil. You have to remember that He created the world to be perfect and without sin, but gave man freedom of choice, which led to sin when Satan tempted Eve. Sure, sin and evil exist. That does not make God evil. He wants to comfort you in your times of trouble. He grieves when you go through hard times.

You may say, “What about prayer. I would never have asked God to let this happen to my family. How could He let it happen?” God’s will is a perfect and good will; it is not our will and we can’t change it. His character is constant and unchanging. He will always be loving. But because man sinned, evil is present in the world and there is nothing we can do but resist it. It may come, but we all sin and fall short of the glory of God. It may take loved ones away, but good can come from bad, and even though you may hate God for letting it happen, it happened. There is nothing wrong with grieving over it. There is such a thing as fate, but not the same as you may think.

I know I am sort of off track and babbling on and on, but I do have something to say. God loves you! He does exist! You can deny Him all you want, but that won’t make your claims true. God wants to comfort you. He wants to be your guide and shield.

When you made your comment, I looked up some verses to help you. You are not the only one bad things have happened to. Job, in the Bible, lost all his loved ones and everything he had, but he still served God.

Lamentations 3:25,32 says, “The LORD is good to those whose hope is in him, to the one who seeks him; Though he brings grief, he will show compassion, so great is his unfailing love.” Jeremiah saw hope in the future despite the terrible circumstances. He knew that God is unchanging; there is always hope in Him no matter what.

John 16: 21 says, “A woman giving birth to a child has pain because her time has come; but when her baby is born she forgets the anguish because of her joy that a child is born into the world.” Joy can come in the end to those who are in pain.

Psalm 10:14-18 says, “But you, O God, do see trouble and grief; you consider it to take it in hand. The victim commits himself to you; you are the helper of the fatherless. Break the arm of the wicked and evil man; call him to account for his wickedness that would not be found out. The LORD is King forever and ever; the nations will perish from his land. You hear, O LORD, the desire of the afflicted; you encourage them, and you listen to their cry, defending the fatherless and the oppressed, in order that man, who is of the earth, may terrify no more.” God defends the fatherless and the oppressed so that man may “terrify no more.”

In James it talks about going through trials. That is always a good book to read when you feel depressed, grieved, disappointed, angry, or lonely.

James 1:4 says, “Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything.”

James 1:12 says, “Blessed is the man who perseveres under trial, because when he has stood the test, he will receive the crown of life that God has promised to those who love him.”

Verses 16-18 say, “Don't be deceived, my dear brothers. Every good and perfect gift is from above, coming down from the Father of the heavenly lights, who does not change like shifting shadows. He chose to give us birth through the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of all he created.”

In answer to some of the questions you might have thought of, James 1:13 says, “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.”

Psalm 119:50, 76 says, “My comfort in my suffering is this: Your promise preserves my life.… May your unfailing love be my comfort, according to your promise to your servant.” God has made a promise. He keeps all His promises. Take time to realize that He preserved your life. You live.

Matthew 5:4 says, “Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.”

Revelation 21:3-4 says, ‘And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Now the dwelling of God is with men, and he will live with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."’

He wants to be your comfort!

If you doubt God’s character, His existence, or the validity of the Bible, then I would suggest you read books by Lee Strobel. He is a reporter journalist. He was an atheist, but became a Christian after researching the Bible, and what Christians believe. Afterwards, he wrote books about his investigations. I would recommend reading, “The Case for Christ” or “The Case for a Creator.”

I asked my dad what he would say if he asked how God could let loved ones die. This was his answer. It may be a little more clear than what I have said.

I've experienced loss, too, but nothing like yours. I won't pretend to understand the pain and anger you must feel. No words of mine could relieve your pain, but maybe I can give you some things to think about that will help how you handle your pain.

Wouldn't you agree that evil exists? You've experienced it. But if evil exists, how can any of us go on if some force of good doesn't also exist to contain the evil? If my belief in God is a crutch, so what? It strengthens me, it gives me purpose, and when I hurt, it speeds my healing. Crutches are for wounded people, and that means me and you.

I'm glad you said that God let the evil happen to your loved ones. A lot of people would say He caused it. Although God didn't create evil, He lets evil happen; but I believe that even so, He works in the background to set boundaries for it, to turn it into good, and ultimately to reconcile the world to Himself.

Yes, God allows evil, but we are blind to most of the picture. Life is like space: Most of the stuff of the universe is "dark matter" and "dark energy" that we can't sense -- and yet we see the effects of its gravity. For that matter, when it comes to time and distance, we barely see past our noses. Yet, through the witness of others, we can see a short way into the past; and through sciences such as geology and archaeology, we can see, fuzzily, a bit farther. So with life, we get only the tiniest fraction of the picture. I've seen nothing of the realm of angels and demons and souls, let alone the consequences in that realm of events in the physical universe. We can't begin to imagine the possible outcomes of all the times that good or evil forces have intervened in history. On the scale of the universe and of its God, I am less than an ameba and have neither the authority nor the comprehension needed to judge history. No, there are just too many possibilities to say that the presence of evil disproves the existence of God.

Let me put this on a more personal level. About 80 years ago, a man beat his children until they bled from all parts of their bodies. 75 years ago, a boy named Grover, age 15, was orphaned and had to live in the woods of Northern Idaho. A couple of years later, he was wounded in the attack on Pearl Harbor, had to live off snails in the jungles of New Guinea, was struck by lightning, and was stung by a poisonous scorpion. Discharged from the Army for a disability, Grover married, but his wife could never bear him a son. She spent him into debt and into leaving the work he loved. That brings us up to 50 years ago, when a husband was unfaithful to his wife, Elisabeth. Having been taken in by a cult-like church, Elisabeth divorced her husband. Already severely depressed, she was raped by a man named Johnny Garrett. She conceived. Within two years, Elizabeth was committed to an asylum for paranoid schizophrenia. She never saw her son again.

Now let me fill in some details. The child-beater was Grover's father. Grover, his brothers, and his sisters escaped a relationship that could easily have turned deadly. The skills Grover learned in the woods saved his life during WW-II and enabled him to perform heroic deeds. The lessons he learned as a child drove him to become a highly effective police officer who influenced many kids lives for the better. The economic pressure from his wife drove him into rocket engineering where he contributed to America's defense during the Cold War. Their childless condition caused them to foster-adopt the child of Elisabeth's rape. That child of rape served as a normal volunteer for medical experiments at the National Institutes of Mental Health, has saved lives by giving over eleven gallons of blood, and walks in Grover's footsteps in the defense industry.

Evil exists; it hurts, it destroys. But good exists, too, and God occupies Himself with bringing good out of the destruction. Ultimately, He will assert His sovereignty over all things, ending all evil and correcting all wrong. Here's the catch: What if God had done so yesterday? Suppose God commences to punish all sin before you receive His forgiveness? How many others might have the same sword hanging over their heads? God does not desire that any should go to Hell, so where and when do we draw the line? Perhaps God is delaying Judgment Day just for your sake!

God will end evil when the time is right. The question is, when will we open our hearts to submit to His judgment, to receive His redemption, and to receive Him?

P.S.: You never told me what you believe. You do not have to if you don’t want to, but I am curious. Did you believe anything before this happened? How can you believe in a hell without believing in a god?”

So then he replies, “srry about the comments me and my friend were clownin i would like to talk to u on aim my sn is x1derboy peace.”

I replied, “had a feeling you might be lieing. But why do you make these comments if they are all lies? What makes it worth playing around with someones mind? I have answered you to the straight full, did you even read my last comment or did you see how long it was and apologize? Even if you were only joking, you have to have some reason to use such foul language. And you have said those things to others too. For all I know you could be lieing now to get me off your back. Why do you bother? It must get tiring after a while. And you never did answer my questions about what you believe. What do you believe?”